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Buying A Truck (Without Getting Completely Screwed Over) Part 2

(Continued from Part 1)

Fred and I waited for someone to pick up the phone. Now that I knew the vacation spiff was worthless, there was no way I was going to pay MSRP for the Ranger. It’s simply a matter of principle.

No one was answering, so I made my way down to the salesman’s office. He wasn’t in there. I asked the receptionist to page him. There was more waiting. A few minutes later, she got a call from him saying he was with another customer and would be a while. Another 20 minutes passed.

Enough. It was getting late and I either had to get back to Sackville or make plans to have someone else pick up Leo at daycare. I took a walk around the lot but the salesguy was nowhere to be seen. I returned to the receptionist and asked her to page him again, this time conveying my increasing sense of urgency. She reluctantly called for him again, but this time there was no response.

I went upstairs to get a better surveillance vantage point so I wouldn’t miss him when he returned to his office. I texted a friend who could pick up Leo. Then, I cooled my heels for another 15 minutes before he finally appeared. When he saw me he didn’t seem to want to stop and talk so I intercepted him. (Smiling politely, of course.)

“This trip is no good,” I told him. “I’m going to generously estimate that you paid $400 for this ‘vacation’, although it was positioned as having much higher value than that when we first spoke. I’m going to try and be reasonable, so we can still make this deal happen if you waive the admin fee.”

He tried to explain that the vacation was actually as he had described, and not like the brochure said. Uh huh. Right.

“Well, it’s a new promotion and we were only just briefed on it yesterday,” he acquiesced. We went to his office and he called in the sales manager.

As we waited, I chatted with him. “You guys have a tough job. I know it’s hard to keep your customers happy and still make a buck. Sales managers put a lot of pressure on the front-line guys. I hope you understand I’m not doing this to be difficult.”

He grumbled a bit of frustration about this not being the first time he’d been briefed inappropriately on a a promotion like this. Good. I had probably pre-emptively neutralized the old good-cop-bad-cop routine that was coming, by becoming the good cop myself.

The sales manager arrived with a “What seems to be the problem here?” type of opener. I told him I had travelled from Sackville NB for two hours in good faith to buy a truck, lured in part by what had turned out to be inaccurate information about their sales promotion.

“Let me explain to you how the trip works,” he began.

“No thanks, I can read,” I responded, pointing at the fine print at the back of the brochure. “I also found out what the Internet has to say about this company and it’s not giving me warm fuzzies.”

“You have to take it, we’ve already bought it. That’s the way it works.”

“Sell it to someone else.”

He turned red and some veins bulged on his head.

“So you’re not going to listen to what I have to say?” he asked, a bit heatedly.

“You’re charging me MSRP on the truck, so it would have to be good.”

“Oh, because you can read, right?”

“Right.”

He grew redder.

“Look,” I said.”I’m trying to be reasonable. I’m giving you guys the benefit of the doubt on this being a genuine misunderstanding.” I looked sympathetically at the salesman, who was sitting quietly at his desk. “I’m only asking that you keep the trip and waive the admin fee. With that, I drive away in a new truck. If you can’t do that, I’ll ask for the keys to the Dodge and my driver’s license back and simply head home with some not-very-nice feelings about your dealership. Your call.”

“Give me a minute,” he steamed, and left the office.

I couldn’t really understand why he was so pissed off, but then I realized that the $20K offered for my trade was probably more than they really thought it was worth, but now it was too late for them to change it.

The sales manager returned.

“Okay: we can’t waive the admin fee, because that’s the way our finance manager gets paid…”

I suppressed a guffaw.

“…but we’re willing to knock four hundred bucks off the price of the truck to make this happen. Deal?” He extended his hand.

“Deal.” We shook.

It took another hour or so for me to get out of there because the salesman had to run through the delivery checklist, explain some stuff in the manual, tell me about the roadside assistance, etc. Then I had transfer all my tools and junk in the Dodge into my new Ranger (which, thankfully, had all the specifications I expected.)

On the long drive home, I breathed a sigh of relief for having survived another match with a big car dealership, without getting completely screwed. And that’s really all a vehicle buyer can hope for.

Buying A Truck (Without Getting Completely Screwed Over) Part 1

By now, long-time followers of this blog will have a pretty good sense of what I think of the dealership car buying experience. It’s pretty much a blood sport. At this point, though, I’ve had so many bouts in the ring (a.k.a. the salesman’s cubicle) that I’m starting to give as good as I get.

In my last post, I described the rationale for picking my target vehicle (a Ford Ranger) and settling on a dealership. The story picks up again as I drove one afternoon to Steele Ford in Halifax with the salesman’s over-the-phone assurance of:

  • The trade-in value of my Dodge (pending appraisal by the dealership)
  • The cash purchase price of the Ford Ranger (Based on the quoted amount on my trade, I was content at this point with the MSRP minus the $6K that Ford was discounting)
  • The extra spiff they were throwing in (a choice of three airfare+hotel vacations)

Upon arriving at the dealership, I sought out the salesman I had spoken with and asked him to get the most critical piece out of the way first: the appraisal. If they were going to bait-and-switch me, the trade-in value of the Dodge would be their first tack. (”Gee, sorry, Pierre. When we told you your truck was worth $20K on trade, we were assuming there’d be no surface rust on the trailer hitch. It’s actually worth $18,500.”)

Thus I politely explained that I didn’t want to talk about anything else until we’d firmed up their number. I handed the keys over  to the salesman and went to the waiting room to work on my laptop as they inspected the Dodge. When the salesman returned a half hour later, he confirmed the original offer for my trade. Great! This allowed us to proceed to the next step: drawing up the deal.

The salesman handed me off to the F&I guy for this part. We’ll call him Fred because I can’t remember his real name. I had come prepared with a spreadsheet on my laptop that included all the relevant numbers for the transaction including a/c tax, sales tax, trade value, vehicle price, etc. I let Fred punch the numbers into his system and then walk me through them. I made adjustments in my spreadsheet to make sure our numbers lined up. One thing I did not like at all was their “admin fee” of $399. Admin fees are to be expected in any dealer vehicle transaction, but they’re basically just a fancy name for profit. Four hundred bucks is a bit rich for filling out a few forms and trying to sell me an extended warranty and undercoating.

But, I thought, they’re throwing in a vacation to Vegas, or Cancun, or a cruise. Plus, they just offered me full wholesale value for a truck that probably needs new rotors all around and a front shock absorber and God-knows what else. Let’s just get on with it.

And so we did. At one point, one of the forms I had to sign was an acknowledgement that the vehicle was being received in good order with no kilometers on it. That’s when it occurred to me that I hadn’t actually seen the truck yet. “Can I have a look?” I asked.

You see, you should always inspect the merchandise. My father had told me the story of when he purchased a Ford truck in 1978, completing all the paperwork on what he thought was a new truck before finding out that the dealer had sold him a demo. Plus, sometimes inventory databases have incorrect information, and I wanted to ensure that the truck I was buying really was the one I wanted.

Anyway, Fred said,”Uh, sure,” and dialled the salesman’s extension. He spoke a bit, listened, then related that the truck was still being PDI’ed and it wasn’t quite ready for viewing yet.

“OK, I’ll wait.”

With that, I was asked to return to the waiting room so the guy could get some other stuff done. This was fine, because I had my laptop and I could get some work done, too. A few minutes into my various tasks, my mind started wandering to the vacation I’d soon be taking, and which one I’d choose. I walked back to the F&I guy’s office.

“Can you show me the details of this trip?” I asked. He hemmed and hawed and told me what his understanding of it was. “Right,” I said. “Do you have the paperwork?”

He picked up his phone and dialled another extension. A few minutes later, someone showed up with a brochure with a tear-off coupon on the back page. I thanked him and returned to my spot in the waiting room to read it.

Now, wouldn’t you just guess it, but what the brochure described was nothing at all like what I’d been told. First of all, the “vacation” was really just some hotel in Cancun. I had to send this company some money to cover taxes and admin fees and such, and then cover my own airfare to get to Cancun. At the time, the swine flu was taking Mexico by storm, so I was eagerly scanning the text to find mention of Vegas or the cruise. Oh, there it was: if I paid my way to Cancun and stayed in this unknown free hotel, a few months later I’d have the opportunity to pay more fees and taxes and THEN I had a choice of a Vegas trip or a Cruise.

This, of course, smelled of rancid tuna. I turned to my laptop, which, thankfully was on the waiting room WiFi, and Googled the company name on the brochure. The words “time-share” and “scam” were quite prominent on the first page of search results. Indeed, in Cancun, I would have had to sit in a 4-hour time-share presentation to get my coupons for the Vegas trip or cruise.

Back to the F&I guy’s office. “We need to renegotiate,” I stated flatly, showing him the brochure.

He sighed and dialled the salesman’s extension.

To be continued

…Hello Ford

To get rid of the Dodge, the plan was this: find a vehicle that was similar in terms of capability, much more reliable and, oh yeah: an even trade for the Big White Lemon.

That last part is tough. It stings enough to have spent a lot of money buying, then fixing, a piece of garbage like our Dodge turned out to be, without then having to take a big loss when you trade it in. The first admission I had to make was that I was going to be getting a truck smaller than a half-ton.

I looked first at Toyota Tacomas and realized that those of equivalent age (3 yrs old) and mileage (68,000 kms) to the Dodge were changing hands on the used market for between 7 and 9 thousand dollars more than the wholesale value on our truck. Brand new, they would have sold for about $10K less. Think about that next time you’re looking at new trucks in that price range: Toyota’s resale values are formidable.

I looked briefly at other makes, but either the pricing would have forced me into an older and higher-mile truck than what I was driving, or I’d be giving up essentials like 4×4 and extended cab. I did not consider another Dodge, in case you’re wondering.

The only trucks that seemed to offer what I needed at the right price were Ford Rangers. There are a lot of used ones out there, particularly in the Maritimes. I speculate that it’s due to Ford’s keeping the price low by sticking with an outdated design for many years. So, no rear disc brakes, no front-facing rear seats, about 60HP short of the nearest V6 and V8 competitors, and a plasticky interior with no carpeting (at least in most trim levels). Plus, it’s hard for all but truck geeks to tell a 2009 model from a 1999 model.

On the plus side, the J.D. Power quality surveys I could find seemed to indicate that Ford has worked the bugs out of the Ranger by virtue of the design being so old. The box is a decent length for a small truck, the towing capacity with the V6 and automatic transmission is respectable (5,600 lbs) and the folding rear jump seats would be big enough for Leo for a while. (Sidebar on child seating: you can’t put a booster seat in a inboard-facing jump seat! Kids of Leo’s size must ride in the front on a booster, which is OK because the light weight deactivates the airbag. When kids are big enough to be out of the booster, they can sit in the back again.)

So I started shopping for Ford Rangers. I drove a 2006 at my friend Matt’s used car dealership in Sackville. I liked it a lot, but it was missing a few things I wanted and out of warranty. Unfortunately, I’m picky about optioning a vehicle, so it was hard to find a Ranger that wasn’t an FX4 (can’t get ‘em with a bench seat, which I wanted) that also had power windows, locks and cruise, tow package, etc. You can get this stuff in an XLT or a Sport, but few XLTs are out there and most of the Sports are bare-bones with crank windows.

In my search for a well-optioned Sport or the elusive XLT, I stopped in at Hatheway Ford in Amherst, NS. The sales rep there told me that the new 2009 models were now selling at a $6,000 discount, which brought their price really, really close to what they were offering me for the Dodge. This meant I’d be getting a full three-year warranty, roadside assistance, iPod input, Satellite radio with 6 month subscription, and of course the knowledge that the vehicle hadn’t previously been abused or modified. Best of all, when you’re buying new, you have a better shot at finding the combination of options you’re looking for.

So I changed my tack and started searching area dealers’ new inventory using the Ford.ca website. I found a few possibles, phoned the dealers, told them about trading my Dodge and talked numbers. One truck was disqualified immediately because it was ordered into the dealer’s inventory after a $1,000 price increase this past spring. Another was disqualified because he couldn’t make me an acceptable offer on the Dodge (he was coming in way below Black Book ranges). A third, Steele Ford two hours away in Halifax, had the Ranger I was looking for and offered me above Black Book for the Dodge. Bonus: not only were the numbers working out, they were going to throw in a vacation!

In my next post, I’ll tell you all about how my visit to the dealership went. Stay tuned.